there was already one created in the CB menu set to Public. This site is fairly old and has gone through many iterations of Joomla and CB since J1. I emptied all of the trashed menu items and trashed modules thinking that may be it, but didn't help.
Of note: I noticed there are different login prompts. When the Joomla login prompt is called, then the site works like it should:
Example of when it works
using Joomla login language (which I modified)
So, it looks like it's only when CB catches the login and not Joomla. If I have CB installed, why does Joomla ever get the login prompt?
The Component that fails is Yootheme's Zoo for whatever that's worth. Works fine if logged in but it's the one that CB fails - not sure why CB login is called and not Joomla.
Just trying to figure this out - thanks.