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One thought I am having is this; A lot depends on the nature of the software and what else it is linked into.
My impression is that the people developing Joomla/Mambo are really listening to users, and making adjustments and improvements to the software as a consequence.
CB is produced for those people to use, ie, for the business sector relying on Joomla/Mambo for their customer networking and relationships. As such it is actually serving the Joomla/Mambo community, not just CB users. In fact it can ONLY be serving Joomla/Mambo users as without Joomla/Mambo there would be no CB anyway.
My point here is that there is a profound and important business relationship happening when people use CB, because many people are using Mambo/Joomla in that way. They don't choose CB to have a mess around with different ways of presenting Client information, they are using it because they expect it to serve their needs.
I think quite a lot of people in this Forum, and elsewhere, have spotted some quite serious 'holes' in CB, one of which is the complete absence of any way of searching, except on the name field. Which is ludicrous, and totally out of step with how people are likely to want to use CB.
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achintya,
I don't think you are getting the point. It does not matter weather the core software is business oriented or paid for or anything else. Just because CB is part of it does not have any effect in any way as to how it is produced, distributed, licensed, or supported. It is its on software with its own developers that are giving of their own free time. It is up to them if they support it at all.
To be honest I really get sick of people that get something for free then expect personalized support for every little thing that "THEY' think is important. This whole thread started off with the idea that CB is like a car without wheels. Since you started this thread that may be so for you, but for the hundreds or even thousands of us that use it, support it, and find it very useful it definitely has wheels, an engine, and a very sleek design. You your self have admitted that that you use it on your own sites so I think that you are very disingenuous in your thoughts about this application. A car without wheel is useless and this application is far from useless.
Bottom line is if the whole bunch of people that put this together decided to walk away tomorrow there is nothing that you or I could do about it. As a matter of a fact if it were mine and I read comments like yours I would consider walking away because you have no respect for them, their time, their efforts, or their software. They hove no obligation to support this at all for any reason weather you like it or not. The fact is though they do support it very well with these forums and in almost all cases very quick replies. Just because you are not getting the support that you want does not make this application any less useful.
Lets just drop it and agree to disagree, you have your opinion that contradicts just about everything you have said, and everyone else has theirs. The mere fact that not a single other person has come to your defense in this thread tells me that either we are all dumb and don’t get it or you are and don’t. Get it into your head that searching is important but it is not the all encompassing, make or break that you think it is. If you feel that strongly about it you have a couple of choices, pay to have it done or wait for the developers to do it in their own time. They owe us nothing, o, zilch, not one red dime. This is free open source software with no warranty and no support implied or otherwise. On the other hand we owe them a lot and I have to go back to what I said to you in a previous post. The searching capabilities are still good enough to see that you have not contributed to the project. Until you do you don’t have a leg to stand on demanding that your requests be taken into consideration. Donate to the cause and my guess is that your requests will carry more weight and will be acted on sooner. Until then you will have to wait or just go away.
Sorry for sounding so blunt but your whole premise for this thread and most of what you have said is just plain silly.
Post edited by: rick, at: 2006/02/12 20:18
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One thought I am having is this; A lot depends on the nature of the software and what else it is linked into.
My impression is that the people developing Joomla/Mambo are really listening to users, and making adjustments and improvements to the software as a consequence.
This is absolutely correct. The key difference is that the people behind Joomla are making money with it. It is a key complement to their business. This far I have not seen this happening here.
That is a lot of people buy full Joomla installations as professional sevices. The key people behind the project become thus preferred partners, or people making money become key developers.
It is very very different when you can make your living with the code you develop.
CB is produced for those people to use, ie, for the business sector relying on Joomla/Mambo for their customer networking and relationships. As such it is actually serving the Joomla/Mambo community, not just CB users. In fact it can ONLY be serving Joomla/Mambo users as without Joomla/Mambo there would be no CB anyway.
Still I fail to see where is the business with CB? That is, when do the developers get paid? If the core team did, the component would advance much rapidly. It is not that difficult to make the search functionality, for example.
My point here is that there is a profound and important business relationship happening when people use CB, because many people are using Mambo/Joomla in that way. They don't choose CB to have a mess around with different ways of presenting Client information, they are using it because they expect it to serve their needs.
I think quite a lot of people in this Forum, and elsewhere, have spotted some quite serious 'holes' in CB, one of which is the complete absence of any way of searching, except on the name field. Which is ludicrous, and totally out of step with how people are likely to want to use CB.
This amazes me totally! If that indeed was the case, some would have hired a programmer to make this thing. It is not that hard to do it. I am a business user, and our business made a considereable sum of money last year using CB as a key information system. Still, we take it "as is" and understand that it is not professionally developed or supported. Before spotting CB, I was prepared to pay a few thousands to get similar product.
Luckily it was easier to take this component, developed as hobby, and hack it to suit our needs.
I think that this thread is mainly about the differences between software that generates money for the developers and the kind that does not. When you annot financially apreciate the code you make, the incentives are lot less customer oriented.
-Mikko
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Well thanks for the rant mate... you are making a complete public pigs ear of yourself really by resorting to such a silly schoolboy tone... let's give it a go shall I er...
nya nyu nya to you boo hoo.. is that how this goes???
I haven't got a lot of money, but what I have got, I am donating to this project to try and get this much needed and much missed utility.
A database that can't be searched, is to my mind a car without wheels. The whole point of having a database made available to the public is that it is searchable.
You say this is stand alone software. ER... so it runs without Joomla/Mambo???? I don't think so...
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